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Comment by Ann Hatfield on December 4, 2009 at 10:23am

Shell, Thanks for the long info; it is really interesting! It's facsinating to hear the conditions under which other horse people live/work.

What are you and your husband thinking/doing/marketing for with the recession?

As someone entering breeding (late in my life too, oh well) and who knows a bit about local marketing and the labour market-changing radically, I am concerned about how all of us should be attending to the alterations in our economies. I posted this as a discussion in this group but haven't had any responses.

In Canada we have a low birth rate and many of our new people are immigrants who move to cities. Our native people have the highest birthrate but are also moving to the cities, and either have some horses, rurally or are not in a position to buy any, and they are not the one paying a good price to get show animals, anyway.

From what little I know of generation x and gen y they are not much interested in buying horses, at least not yet. So, who will be? Anyone at all?

I have heard of only one breed organization (Appaloosa Canada) addressing this in conference with breeder members, but the message was 'be aware that this trend is happening' with no suggestions of how to deal with it successfully. I think many of us breeders may disappear, fewer if we can antiipate who are new buyers are and market well.

What do you and other Aussie horse breeders think? Do you talk of this? How are your markets changing in this recessions and over the next couple of decades?

Ann, Maple Leaf Mules

Comment by CM Sporthorses on November 30, 2009 at 2:26am

Hi Ann,

You should have seen it when we moved from NSW's Upper Hunter Valley to here - 2000km trip dead on..... in January - which is meant to be the middle of summer here - but thankfully we had a cool change come in and it drizzled rain the entire way over..... we had 9 horses and a cow to bring with us.... as well as the dogs, cats, snakes and fish.....

The horses were in a cattle truck so they were loose - much better for them to do the trip straight through like that - they could put their heads down and move around a little.....

We stopped for water and feed breaks, it took 24 hours straight through... changing drivers at breaks for watering them and fuel....

Generally, they travel pretty well in the heat.... the trucks are well ventilated (the transporters trucks that is), some are air conditioned.... they are given water and feed regularly and in extreme conditions (42 - 49*C) they stop at depots for the day and travel at night when it gets down to about 30*C.....

Occasionally a horse will get travel sickness - we have only ever had ONE get that - a youngster who went 2000km - its pretty rare for any of them to get ill due to the great care the carrier we use all the time gives them.

We dont have diseases like you guys have - we only vaccinate against tetanus and strangles........... very rarely anything else......... its not an issue here in Aus :)

We have had Hendra go through some horses in QLD, but thats thanks to the fruit bats - some people and horses have died from that one.

Equine Influenza shut Australia down for months a couple of years ago..... Some twit let it out of the quarantine station when it came in on a shuttle stallion (TB)...... it devestated our industry in the eastern states.

South Australia shut down for a while, but got back to 'normal' pretty quick, and Western Australia hardly shut down at all.

Our distances helped with that obviously!!

Ok............ so WHY Cleveland Bays???

I am a large person..... 5 ft 10, and about that round...... (I always describe myself as a draft mare in paddock condition lol).... and needed a horse that was up to carrying me and doing what I wanted to do (Jump, event, dressage and a bit of showing)....

So I found a really lovely big mare I loved, bred her to a CBSH stallion, and bred my first CBSH! :)

Since then I have been hooked, and we now have a collection of them! :)

Comment by Ann Hatfield on November 30, 2009 at 1:37am

Welcome CM. Lordy ONLY 2000 km to truck a horse. I hear of people lothe to bring a horse from the coast of British Cloumbia to the interior-about 500 km. How do your horses truck in your hot summers? Do you have problems with any diseases as a result of the long rides, shipping fever flus or the like? And why Cleveland Bays?

Ann at Maple Leaf Mules (Spotted sport and trail mules)

Comment by CM Sporthorses on November 28, 2009 at 7:30pm

Hi Guys,

I live in South Australia on the Eyre Peninsula (the triangly bit at the bottom of the country in the middle) - we are about 150km west of half way from Sydney to Perth.... so the middle of nowhere!!!

But it works to our advantage - we are right on the highway from East to West, and its only about 2000km to either East or West coast of the country, and therefore affordable for people to buy horses from us and have them trucked anywhere :) Works well for us :)

So, what do we breed??

Cleveland Bay, Warmblood and Coloured Sporthorses.

We have 3 Cleveland Bay Sporthorse Stallions -
CM Oberon Toblerone - Cleveland Bay x Holsteiner - 17.3hh, 10 yrs old.
CM Bedford Forrest - 3/4 Cleveland Bay, 1/4 TB - 17.1hh and growing - 4 1/2 yrs old
Billara Beersheba - 3/4 Cleveland Bay, 1/4 TB - 16.1hh and growing - 5 yrs old.

And a Perlino QH stallion who is of sprint/working breeding, and a really lovely athletic type - we have two of our CB x TB mares in foal to him at the moment - hoping for a nice athletic little CBSH from them - a bit smaller in height than 'usual' for a CBSH, and with the added bonus of colour! (Will be either Bucky or Pally - while Colour is NOT our main aim of breeding - the fact that we found a little stallion who is guaranteed to produce colour and ticked all the other boxes for us FIRST before colour was considered - was a major bonus!)

We are often asked by people if Clevelands come in anything other than "Bay" - because they love the CB temperament and ability, but arent fans of bay horses - um...... its a bit par for the course with CBs..... lol..... and we are also often asked if we have any that are going to be smaller - only around 15.2 - 15.3hh - because they dont want a HUGE horse.....

So hopefully the little packages we have due in February and April will do the job!!!

We have so far bred a number of Pinto CBSH's and a grey one.....

Our website is: www.cmsporthorses.com if anyone is interested in having a look at our kids :)

Am looking forward to conversing with you guys :) I have been a member of Barnmice for ages, but havent used it much as I am still getting the hang of it :)

Please point me in the right direction if you feel I am getting lost! lol

Comment by Ann Hatfield on November 18, 2009 at 6:07pm

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I live in southern central BC, the north end of the Okanagan Valley. I will be looking for a registered Arab broodmare this coming spring. If she had foaled one or more times so much the better. She may not get ridden, just used as a broodmare, so a horse with an injury that removes her from riding I would consider. It would have to be something that would not be exacerbated by being heavily in foal. My horses have a pasture and daily grazing, shelters, barn; they live in small groups and live at least a somewhat 'free' life. I have 50 years experience with horses. If anyone has a horse that might fill the bill, or knows of one, please let me know. I am particularly interested in a good natured, conformationally correct mare. I will skip the great athlete with a crazy personality!

Comment by Canadian Warmblood Stallions on November 11, 2009 at 6:46pm

Look for the new CWHBA 2010 Stallion Service Auction list to be posted as nominations are confirmed through December 2009. Videos currently posted on Barnmice will go offline at the end of November 2009 and as nominations are confirmed, video will be available again.

The list will feature stallions nominated to the 2010 CWHBA SSA plus other association material as available. The 2010 Stallion Service Auction will be offered live on March 14, 2010! Enjoy!

Comment by Ann Hatfield on November 4, 2009 at 1:34am

The Desert Normans sound a lovely cross. I had no idea that there was a registry for them. The two half-sisters I have are by a sire that is Percheron, Paint and Arab; one is registered half Arab, the other out of a Thoroughbred/Belgian. They are both very athletic with lots of natural jump.

Comment by Kay Langmuir on November 3, 2009 at 8:58pm

Did you know that an arab/percheron cross is called a Desert Norman, and that there is now a registry for these horses? I stumbled across my first arab/perch cross more than 30 years ago and haven't looked at horses the same since. The cross is rare but works exceptionally well since there is already arab in the percheron's ancestry. Took me years to find another one. He's the one in my photo. He happens to be registered Desert Norman. It's a very new developing breed registry, and now I'm running that registry, basically trying to get more people to try this cross. Please have a look at www.desertnorman.ca and help spread the word. And don't miss the photo gallery.
Kay Langmuir

Comment by Kerri Morden-Marsolais on October 21, 2009 at 10:16am

I just wanted to let everyone know about the top quality Reining stallions right here in Ontario!! If you are looking for reining bloodlines go to www.orha.com....here you will find some great stallions in the Sired Stakes as well as the OBBO....

With the problems at the border and delays involved due to shipping semen, it certainly pays to do some research for stallions right here in Ontario....we were very pleasantly surprised to find some nice studs that are also money earners....bloodlines include Wimpy's Little Step, Peptoboonsmal and Shining Spark to name a few....

Comment by Debbie V on October 21, 2009 at 9:45am

We breed Trakehners and Trakehner crosses that have been very successful on the A Circuit in the hunter and jumper rings. We also have horses suitable for equitation, dressage and eventing.

I invite anyone looking for a new horse to call and make an appointment to try them out. We are located in the Niagara Peninsula, Ontario - within 1 hour of Toronto and 45 minutes from Buffalo and Niagara Falls, NY.

www.bigvfarm.fws1.com
905-899-2226

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